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Hi lads - i was asked today about the portfolio ,which appears to be different from when i did mine.
Where as it used to be loads of photo & paper evidence i know that it just all written - complete walk through of the erect & dismantle, & i'm aware that only 2 out of the 4 jobs need to be submitted. -
my question is do you still have to supply drwgs/RAMs/handover certs etc or are these forms of proof no longer required
 
Hi Southern…

Adv Scaff Evidance…

It says: details of documentation which may be accessed for checking

( Give reference numbers and Location of documents )

write in the section a) through e) HELD IN OFFICE

If CISRS requires details they will contact the Employer or the Person who completed the Portfolio of evidence…

I think it changed over, Jan 15…

Garry...
 
Did mine in 2013 daz and it was all writen based then. No documents required just proof of where its kept as garry mentioned.
 
Hi southern. I completed mine last year, I submitted TBT's, RAM's, Permits and relevant check sheets (W@H, MHC etc.). No drawings although you may submit them if you so desire. The passed them no problem. I will have a sift through my literature and give you an account.
 
All they need to know is, what documentation is available and where is it stored if they need to verify it.
 
It will depend on who you are completing the advanced course with...I mean if you are completing this with CITB (NCC) it will be their portfolio, if you are completing it with Simian it will be their portfolio, and they are entirely different, as will the methods used to provide evidence of completing this work. however the core units will be the same.
I used to work at Erith as an instructor/assessor so if I can help you, so you understand what you need to do you can PM me..............
 
Thx for the advise guys & to you geoff i can tell the chap that asked me it appears his potfolio is similar to the one garys on about- mine was a while ago & quite comprehensive requiring loads of photos & drwgs Rams the full monty- cant quite get my head around the fact theres no evidence to prove youve completed the tasks- tbh make a bit of a joke outta the whole thing
 
southernpoofter said:
Thx for the advise guys & to you geoff i can tell the chap that asked me it appears his potfolio is similar to the one garys on about- mine was a while ago & quite comprehensive requiring loads of photos & drwgs Rams the full monty- cant quite get my head around the fact theres no evidence to prove youve completed the tasks- tbh make a bit of a joke outta the whole thing
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We used to get loads of portfolios with the photos that you could see were being manufactured....I think the supervisor would turn up on a job with a camera and get the lads to pose one at a time. They had all written different dates and addresses down for the details of the photos. Also these pictures showed shocking evidence of the standard of scaffold being built....so it was the scaffies that made a joke outta the whole thing.

Now it is a written statement in the learners hand writting describing the key points, in this way there would be evidence showing the scaff as being competent and having a good understanding of the correct method to erect a scaffold and prior knowledge of a safe way of working....of course this can work for and against the candidate as it depends who is proving the scaffolder knew the correct work method
 
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Apparently there was widespread copying and plagiarising of portfolios across the UK since 2000. I heard a rumour that the authorities were auditing all portfolios submitted between 2000 and 2011 and if they were found to be copied or false then they were considering suspending the culprits CISRS cards until they completed a new portfolio.
 
Bullsh1t. They don't give a flying f@ck as long as your cheque doesn't bounce.
 
Just cos a candidate writes the portfolio himself in his/her handwriting deosnt mean they havnt copied it. When i did my adv course there was two lads who had completed the folio within three days, so whats to say they couldnt lend it for someone else to copy but just change a few dates..????.
Portfolio copying deos happen and will always happen.
 
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scaffy 1980 said:
Just cos a candidate writes the portfolio himself in his/her handwriting deosn't mean they havn't copied it. When i did my adv course there was two lads who had completed the folio within three days, so whats to say they couldnt lend it for someone else to copy but just change a few dates..????.
Portfolio copying deos happen and will always happen.
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You are dead right...it does not mean a thing, other than they have written a document that has been assessed as being their portfolio of work place evidence and signed to say that it is their work.
The awarding body will only act against a poor assessment being accepted if it is found during verification by an external verifier on an inspection of training centre evidence that they sample.
I do not think it would be possible to re assess that volume of work for duplicates either, and then it would not be possible to prove it was known to be false by the assessor unless it was assessed by the same person in a short time span. besides the whole system would fail with the amount of appeals that would follow against such a judgement.

What I saw happening daily in both two big the London training centers makes a farce of the whole system, and I know how it is anything but professional as far as assessments of both portfolios and individuals is concerned.

So no nothing will happen as long as the money is paid on time the learner will pass.................But it still remains their evidence and will be used to show competence to industry..
 
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As with everything thou......you get found out in the end. So these candidates that cheat are only cheating themselves, but more importantly they could cause a serious accident out on the job due to the lack of attention and experience given in these courses.
 
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As with everything thou......you get found out in the end. So these candidates that cheat are only cheating themselves, but more importantly they could cause a serious accident out on the job due to the lack of attention and experience given in these courses.
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I got suspended from work for three weeks for refusing to sign off a candidate on a part two that was unable to even base out a 1.9 x 1.9 tower....he passed on week two and then when he came back for the final assessment he went home at 09:00am signed off as having passed all the assessments and witnessed erecting a cantilever and a pavement gantry.....and having completed a professional discussion to get his work based portfolio evidence signed off as being genuine. The same assessor also completed a full day of training for a youth part 2 course on the same day.....needless to say I no longer work there...........
 
It's the worst kept secret in the industry. Makes a f@cking mockery of the whole thing.
Thanks @geoffbecks for confirming what we already knew to be true.:mad:
 
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